Meme time!

[dagronrat]

Since my room is now tidy enough to really see the floor (ignore the desk, that's tomorrow's job) I'm going to indulge in Meme Time!

Snagged from thepinkangel ♥
Give me any fandom* we have in common and I'll tell you:
1. The first character I first fell in love with.
2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now.
3. The character everyone else loves that I don't.
4. The character I love that everyone else hates.
5. The character I used to love but don't any longer.
6. The character I would shag anytime find hot.
7. The character I'd want to be like.
8. The character I'd slap.
9. A pairing that I love.
10. A pairing that I despise.

*Make that any series you think I know. 2 fandoms ain't much to play on.

In other news? My painting wasn't accepted to the Aberdeen Artists' exhibition thing. XD;
Not really a surprise there. 4 of my classmates' have been though. ♥♥♥

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[thepinkangel.livejournal.com]

Sailor Moon, of course XD

[dagronrat.livejournal.com]

Of course. Right~ here goes!

1. The first character I first fell in love with.
Okay, I sort of lied when I said I came across the manga first. I came across the TV series first but was way too young or stupid at the time, and couldn't figure out when the show would be on next (and to be honest was more interested in running around barefoot outside. XD;)
However I did catch a couple of episodes then... More specifically I ADORED the one centred on Ami where Tiger Eye takes a look at her dream.
So yeah, I'd say Ami Mizuno/Sailor Mercury is way up there in the first to fall in love with. ^_-

2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now.
Chibi-Usagi. Because until I saw all the bad press she seems to get online I hadn't really thought about her much. It got me to realise what I really liked about her and why. (Seriously, to me she's an upgraded version of Usagi. What's not to love?)

3. The character everyone else loves that I don't.
Uhm... Seiya? I don't have anything against him but er... ^^; I dunno.
Also Shitennou fanfics tend to annoy me because I have no clue where all these random names come from. ;-; A lot of the fics I've come across seem to presume one can guess which one it is by magic. (Which I find hard to swallow. Especially since Shitennou characters are so different according to the canon medium chosen.) I love the shitennou, but not knowing who's who is like being confronted with an OC for me. >.>;

4. The character I love that everyone else hates.
I would say "see 2" but! I have another candidate!
Sailor Star Maker alias Taiki Kou. I like the character and the name of his/her attack is just awesome. XD Why I can only seem to find fic on the other two three lights beats me. Though I suspect it has to do with his/her large forehead? ;^^

5. The character I used to love but don't any longer.
Humm... I don't really have any that pops to mind... Fish Eye perhaps? I thought it was so awesome that she was a she and pictured the end of that arc (where the three are sent back to the Jungle with a dream each) so touching, and sort of reminiscent of Adam and Eve except with two Adams.
Then I learnt she was a HE. OWE. Thank you DUBS. D:

6. The character I would shag anytime find hot.
Takeuchi's boys aren't very distinguishable alas... That said: Saphir's really hot~. >3
If I had to choose a girl I um... Dunno. Beryl? *Is zapped! XD;*
Galaxia ain't half bad either without her armour. X3

7. The character I'd want to be like.
Erm. Michiru? I'm studying to become an artist/painter, so. Then again I really don't care about my appearance and can't play an instrument to save my life. ^^;
I guess it would be Ami then. I like how she's always calm and mellow and also very knowledgeable. I might not be as good at maths as her, but eh. Doesn't stop me from wishing! XD

8. The character I'd slap.
Mio Kuro-what's-her-name from PGSM. They really made a good job of making her detestable. D:
Otherwise I don't think there's any particular cast I dislike enough to be violent at.

9. A pairing that I love.
I have still to cement myself an OTP in the Sailor Moon fandom.
Let's see, I guess I like Pgsm Ami!Nephrite, but then again, any pairing with Ami is cool... I want to read a good Ami!Mamoru ever since I rewatched episode 97 (and saw pretty icons for it) but I often disagree with the portrayal of Ami I've found for such fics. ^^; *feels picky*
Chibi-Usa!Helios and Chibi-Usa!Hotaru are cool too. Even wrote a threesome fic just to taunt a friend on this. >D Hi there Claude~!
... *sigh* to be honest I'll probably take any pairing as long as it's well written and convincing enough.

[dagronrat.livejournal.com]

Oh dear, reply was too long! XD;;


10. A pairing that I despise.
I've been converted to incest fic by someone *yes Claude, you again* so I can't honestly say Chibi-Usa/Usagi or Chibi-Usa/Mamoru. It would still have to be really convincing for me to not go meh. :c/
And as you pointed out, any pairing that makes a character really OOC, aka Haruka not Gay!!1! Though with the cousins dub plot... hummm That said, who knows, maybe she has had some men friends before Michiru?
Hummm... *Thinks hard.*
Nope got nothing. I simply hate any badly written pairing I guess. :c/

There, that should be it all! XD;

[dagronrat.livejournal.com]

I think the others are gonna hate you. XD That leaves FMA and DN for the others though. ♥

1. The first character I first fell in love with.
I would say Haibara, BUT I suspect it was Ran... Only for the length of one book though, since then Ai arrived and blew me away. ^___- ♥
Ran is just so sweet and (sorta) balanced. -^^-

2. The character I never expected to love as much as I do now.
Dang, can't say Eisuke I loved him the moment I set eyes on him. XD;;
Akemi maybe? Or Akai? Oh. Yeah. Definitely Akai. XDDD
AKAI AND GIN SITTING ON A TREE K.I.S.S.I *shot shot* ...make that s.n.i.p.i.n.g. >_<;

3. The character everyone else loves that I don't.
Kazuha? I don't care much for her. ^^; Though I admit she has potential. And there a quite a few cases with Heiji that I love and everyone else seems to love. *sigh*
And the Seiji Aso case itself that I find good but nonplus. I love the Heiji case with the flashback of Aso to bits though. XD
*Yes am contrary. ♥*

4. The character I love that everyone else hates.
Would have said Eisuke a couple of months back, when everyone thought he was just some bad form of comic relief, but eh. XD He's shined through. ♥
I dunno, what characters are there in DC that everyone hates?
Ah. Shinattori. I like him. I don't particularly love him. But meh.

5. The character I used to love but don't any longer.
... Conan? *is knocked out by a power kicked ball.* Ouch... I dunno, I presume at some time I must have loved him to bits, but it doesn't seem so much anymore. ^^;;

6. The character I would shag anytime find hot.
Okay, I'm cheating: Saguru Hakuba. ♥_♥
Heiji's not far behind.

7. The character I'd want to be like.
Akemi Miyano. Obvious reasons. Plus that would mean I'd have a boyfriend. NATCH. :D Oh, it would also mean I'm dead. DAMN.

8. The character I'd slap.
Okay, see question n°4? My answer there does not mean I wouldn't love to see Sato stop acting clueless and giving one to Shinattori right across the face. Takagi's already had his fair share after all. Don't want Shinattori to get jealous do we? >D *evil cackle*

9. A pairing that I love.
Conan-Ai. Because. You don't suddenly forget such things. XD
AND EISUKE-RAN ONE TRUE PAIRING! *___*

10. A pairing that I despise.
Kaito-Shinichi. Oh there's good stuff for it, and I regularly stalk a doujin site for it. I've just also seen way too much Girl!Shinichi fanart for it too. Girl!Shinichi DEFIES the purpose of Yaoi, youhou! If you want Girl!Shinichi, she exists: it's Ran. D: *is shot. again.*

*Snuggles* Good luck with assessments btw!

[dagronrat.livejournal.com]

And there a quite a few cases with Heiji that I love and everyone else seems to love. *sigh*
And there are quite a few cases with Heiji that I loathe, sorry, typos. D:

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Ami and Chibiusa are awesome!

And agreed about random Shitennou names! I HATE that! They should just use the names we're familiar with, in order to let the reader know who they are. **very much against the invention of new names for canon characters in fics, if they're to be used as canon.**

I wonder if Fish Eye can change his gender. XD Because some fish can do that.

XD @ comment on Takeuchi's boys. Too true. Some manga-ka really seem to have trouble making each character look different. When I first saw Sapphire, I was so confused, because he looks like Mamoru with blue hair!

I'm more like Michiru when it comes to which school subjects I like, but I'm more like Ami on logic, shyness, lack of self-confidence.... And I just like Ami better in general. She was my first fave too. XD

My Sailor Moon OTP is Nephlite/Naru in the anime. X3 Umino/Naru is cute, too, though. XD Which will be a problem when I revive Nephlite in my fic.

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

I am curious here, what is it a lot of people find detestable about Kazuha? XD If it's her ability to jump to conclusions, I'm not fond of that myself, like in that one OVA where she immediately decided that Heiji was doing something criminal. She should have had more faith in him!

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Hmm. I'll pick FMA, since I'm more familiar with it than DN. **must correct that soon, though.**

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Gotta say, love your icon. XD Wings rule! As does Chibiusa!

[juneaddams.livejournal.com]

MK

[juneaddams.livejournal.com]

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[juneaddams.livejournal.com]

I find her a little whiny, actually. And overly possessive of Heiji. She's an insecure character, and that's fine, but her insecurity is not the kind that I can relate to or empathize with. Maybe Gosho is just not that good or lacking experience at showing emotional vulnerability in a female character, I don't know. He's done a magnificent job with Ai (and to an extent, Sato, and of course, the BO girls are all wonderful femme fatale characters)

Also, she seems to be the obligatory Eve created simply to compliment Heiji without real purpose to serve the storyline, as if Gosho thought we wouldn't be emotionally invested in his story if he doesn't have a girl to crush and be crushed on. That's silly.

plus, with Heiji's obsession to solving cases and that 'mysterious lover' four-eyed detective, Kazuha seems more like an annoying addition, even to Heiji himself. He forgets about her all the time--well, most of the time anyway.

The cases involving Heiji that I like tend to be those with less girl-bonding ( Kazuha-Ran reminded me a bit of two young housewives in ancient Japan sometimes) and more teamwork / friendship between Heiji and Conan. I don't know, it seems more natural and less forced than those with Kazuha/Ran shoved in.

er, sorry. I didn't mean it to be that long. XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[fs-playground.livejournal.com]

I absolutely agree. And I wonder why I didn't come up with the "young housewives in ancient Japan" expression because it is exactly the thing I dislike about both Ran and Kazuha. The only difference is their awsome knowledge of martial art. (But it seems Japanese men like those girls. There are so many of them in manga.)

[bf-nightingale.livejournal.com]

WORD. Just WORD.

And thank you for this precise explanation, it would have taken me at least three comments to explain the same ideas.^_~

I didn't like her from her first appearance, because... mobbing an unknown girl? Meh, even if she suspected Ran to be Heiji's love-interest, I think that her jealousy is way to extreme to be healthy. For both of them.

[bf-nightingale.livejournal.com]

Do you know Spirou? You told me to enjoy my Spirou the other day, that's why I assume that you know the series...

By the way, it's funny to see such old memes pop up again once in a while, that was one of my very first memes.^__^ *nostalgic smile*

[randomaicoholic.livejournal.com]

What I find despisable with Kazuha?It will be very long...^^;
_She's totally FLAT. The character was created with only one purpose, beeing Heiji's TWU LUV and that's all she is...
Let's take Ran, I don't like the Shinichi/Ran pairing at all but I love Ran besides that because she's more that Shinichi's love interest(her relationships with her parents/with Ai/with Sonoko/with Vermouth/ how she acts in vol 42/when she put her ex-teacher in jail/prove the innocent of her favorite martial artist/she know to play piano a bit).
But Kazuha? If you take away her role as Heiji's girlfriend, there is N-O-T-H-I-N-G...Nothing, even her friendship with Ran is superficial and uninteressing...
_The Heiji/Kazuha pairing...Sooo, two childhood friend who falls in love(OMG how original!), they yelled at each other every time so they're in love(OMG what an unique kind of relationship, it's not a cliché at all)...
But my main pet peeves with those two is that the pairing is not believable at all...I know, hearth had reasons that reasons ignore but I love to find a bit of logic in a relationship, and I don't find that with this couple.
I don't see what Heiji could find lovable or attracting with Kazuha, I don't see chemestry nor positive tension between them(I just see two teenagers acting like two immature brats...)...
In fact even a friendship between them is groundless for me, Heiji seemed to be with her most of the times because he is forced by her/don't have the heart to tell her to give him a break, not because they're sharing something...
The reader would never trust the writer without thoughts, he need to be convinced. Aoyama had tried to tell me that those two are lovers, he had failed...And it's not a wonder, he didn't have ever tried to do it seriously...
When I see those two, I see VERY bad subtext, the kind "You don't need mutual fascination, commun interest or complementary personnalitie to have a couple, no...You just need the "childhood friends" wand, we don't know how it works but suspend your desbielief, it's magic.."-_-;
_Kazuha is overpossesive and egoistical...look at her first meeting with Ran and how she is behaving. I'm sorry but if Aoyama don't have a secret flaschback hidden somewhere, Kazuha is JUST Heiji's childhood friends. She never had the guts to tell him that she wants to be more for him and Heiji had NEVER said to her that he don't love her as a friend but something more...
So she don't have the right to act like a wife cheated by her husband, she don't have the right to insult someone who could be Heiji's potential lover and saying to her that she would never break the sacred bound between her and Heiji..Nope...
Heiji is not her husband, he is not her pet, he is not her son, he is not an object which belongs to her...But she's acting EXACTLY like if it was the case.
My opinion? She's egoistical, she don't think to Heiji's happyness but to her own happyness, she don't treat him like a human beeing but like her property...
Oh and even when Ran was suspecting Shinichi to cheat with her, she have never feels anger for the suspected girls but for Shinichi. But Kazuha?She was far to be as fair play with the suspect...
And it's another reasons which made me found the pairing unbelievable, Heiji is proud and independant, Kazuha is overly possessive and jealous , I don't think that a relationship between two people like that could works longer...
It could work if they were maturing in the manga, but since they don't evolves at all...
In conclusion. Kazuha is nothing more that a girfriend for Heiji and I don't like the pairing, so it's very hard for me to like her. She had the kind of flaws that I despise the most with a character and she don't have anything to compensate them...
Oh and I love Heiji, I want to read fics about him and what could I found when I search?Most of the times, romance between him and Kazuha, it didn't help me to love her...

Sorry for the bitter post but since you wanted to know the point of view of some Kazuha's haters...^__^;

[randomaicoholic.livejournal.com]

4)Tiens, suis curieux, qu'est ce qui t'a fait aimer Akai plus qu'au début?^__^
5)Ohhh, et moi qui pensait que t'aimais bien ma version de Conan ds mes fics..Y-Y

[randomaicoholic.livejournal.com]

I will said death Note.^__^

[thepinkangel.livejournal.com]

Ami's cool :D Especially in PGSM.

I don't read fic for anything, so I wouldn't know XD;

Oh Takeuchi XD I used to idolize you. I still love her style, but I don't try to emulate it anymore >_>

[silmelin.livejournal.com]

When I read your post I see where is your problem with the character of Kazuha: you just don't understand why she was created.
OF COURSE she's NOT interresting (especially for the eyes of occidental people) but she doesn't need to.

Kazuha is a stereotype of japanese KANSAI teenager. She acts like japanese Osaka girls. This is the most important thing. It's seems that japanese like to compare KANTO (Tokyo aera) and KANSAI (Osaka aera). That's why Ran and Kazuha needed to be so similar. But she have some differences. When you live in Japan, you can feel the difference of character (temper? not sure of my english). Maybe this is just what you don't understand.

You said: "I don't see what Heiji could find lovable or attracting with Kazuha, I don't see chemestry nor positive tension between them(I just see two teenagers acting like two immature brats...)..."

In Kansai and especially in Osaka, people like fighting when they like each other. This is not a probleme of maturity but of culture. People in Kanto are differents. They don't argue like that.

But you know, if you don't like Kazuha, this is not a problem. I don't like Haibara Ai and most of people don't really understand why I don't like her.

That's all. I hope you can understand this message and I'm really sorry because my english is really to bad T__T

[bf-nightingale.livejournal.com]

No offense meant but... this doesn't change a thing about her jealousy and her possessiveness, nor has she any valuable function in the plot than being Heiji's potential love interest.^^;
And being a typical osakan girl (which means having more temper than Ran) doesn't excuse her aggressiveness either.^^;

OF COURSE she's NOT interresting (especially for the eyes of occidental people) but she doesn't need to.
I don't think this has anything to do that we are Occidentals, I think that lots of occidental cultures and behaviors are more similar to the kansaian temper than the rather shy and reserved attitude of Kanto people. But I think that it is sad that a lack of interesting personality is "excused" as just being a necessary counterpart to a kanto girl. I like the series because of the interesting characters, so Aoyama obviously can create interesting personalities. But then, why didn't he do the same with Kazuha?

But of course, everybody has a different point of view and I certainly don't want to make you like Kazuha less. It's just that I often do not understand the arguments of Kazuha fans, and I'd really like to understand why so many girls like her that much.^^;

[dagronrat.livejournal.com]

They are! ♥

Indeed. Or at least put a note at the start of the fic. D:

... That would be fun if Fish Eye can do that. XD *Hopes someone caught that plunny and did something with it!*

Indeed. Sapphire does look like a Mamoru-clone as do many other male characters in the series, but I find that he's one of the most interesting male characters in the series (which bodes ill really, considering how short a time he is a part of it. ^^;; )His jealousy and worry over his elder brother, his loneliness, his fondness for machinery/drones, his sharp perceptiveness... ♥ I could probably go on. XD He seems so calm but there's a fire inside him that poor Mamoru lacks.

D'awwh... Umino-Nephrite face off Go Go Go! XD

[silmelin.livejournal.com]

>>> I like the series because of the interesting characters, so Aoyama obviously can create interesting personalities. But then, why didn't he do the same with Kazuha? <<<

I think this is because Aoyama didn't intand to create the characters of both Heiji and Kazuha. Heiji was created because Aoyama received the instructions to do it. He created Kazuha with the aims of giving a typical kansai girl friend to Heiji. There is a parallel between Heiji and Shinichi and the same kind of parallel exists also between Kazuha and Ran.

>>> this doesn't change a thing about her jealousy and her possessiveness, <<<

This is also a specificity of japanese Kansai girls.

>>> nor has she any valuable function in the plot than being Heiji's potential love interest.^^; <<<

Do you think thant Detective Boys, Kaito Kids or Sato Miwako have a better function?
The Detective Boys role is to fill the comedy quota to amuse the younger audience. Kaito kid is just a reference to another manga. Sato Miwako is only the female police officer who can become Takagi's girlfriend.

>>> But I think that it is sad that a lack of interesting personality is "excused" as just being a necessary counterpart to a kanto girl. <<<

What is the interresting personnality of Ran?
I mean Kazuha doesn't belong to the main cast. If you developp her personnality that means you wanted her to belong to the main plot of the story.

You don't understand why people like Kazuha. But do we have to justify all of our tastes? I also know some people who likes Haibara who just CAN'T explain me objectively why she is interessting. They just like her because she's cute or intelligent. Is that all? This is not enough for me. But what can I say? They like her. This doesn't belong to me.

[dagronrat.livejournal.com]

*Eyes warily the whole discussion below.*
Humm. I think I'm just going to develop my own view here.

First off, it's not as much that I hate Kazuha, but more that she just doesn't do much for me. She's a side character and seems rather stereotypical to me, confined in the role of jealous not!girlfriend and Ran's BFF. She's used efficiently to bring in humour (Kudo's a BOY not a Girl! XD) ubt apart from that, really, I just have no interest in her. Her "romance" with Heiji usually bores me (because seriously the childhood friend issue is overdone and those two don't really have any obstacles other than Heiji's clueless state) and she's hardly ever used for anything else.
If she was in a not so logical as DC series, say MK, I'd expect her superstitious nature to play a much more interesting part though. Thus my saying she has "potential".

That said, none of this has prevented me drawing and ficcing about her and Heiji in the past. (Hell, those two are the only characters I've drawn *kissing* so far!)

[dagronrat.livejournal.com]

"as if Gosho thought we wouldn't be emotionally invested in his story if he doesn't have a girl to crush and be crushed on. That's silly."
And to stop the Heiji-Ran fanfics. XDDDD
What? Am I the only one who noticed this trend when all the Case Closed fans started flooding the DC/MK section of FF.net? Though I'd love to see one that deals with Kazuha & Shinichi! X3

And agreed too: my favourite cases with Heiji tend to be the ones without Kazuha. ^^;;